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Funny Vid: 'National Parks: Now With Guns!'

Renowned documentary filmmaker 'Ken Barnes' takes you on a firearms tour of America's most revered places

Regardless of where you stand on the guns in national parks issue, I think we can all take a step back and laugh at this vid made by the dudes over at Jackson, WY-based The Snaz. They made a killer parody trailer of Ken Burns' National Parks: America's Best Idea series. Check it:

Guns in National Parks - The Trailer from TheSnaz DotCom on Vimeo.


Extra-special shout-out for the Snaz's special effects budget. They totally nailed Burns', I mean Barnes', excellent haircut.

—Ted Alvarez

via The Goat

READERS COMMENTS

Greg
Apr 30, 2010

When the cowardly lion met the wizard of Oz and asked for courage the wizard gave him a gun instead and said "Who needs courage when you have a gun?"

Be a man (or woman) and let the wilderness shape you, don't try to control and shape the wilderness.

C.J.
Mar 16, 2010

I will say this. Nod you are a really good propagandist. Every time I respond. You call it a rant. Is it all in caps? No. So I am not screaming. I am calm and collected. You use rant to make me seem crazy or like a “gun-nut” as you call us. While you try to appeal to “anyone of rational, thoughtful good will and an open-mind” that way if someone is on the fence or don't really know much about guns they will find themselves pressured into agreeing with you or they might not seem “rational, thoughtful good will and an open-mind” And If someone believes differently than you they can’t be “rational, thoughtful good will and an open-mind” Nice tactics. In a time of more guns we had a more civilized society. Learn some history. Hell machine guns were able to be purchased at hardware stores until 1964, and we had much lower crime rates then. And again If you don't know I have have a gun how "DO (it) harm (you) by so doing"? As I have already stated there is no "arms race" we have laws regulating what guns are legal and which ones are not. Even certain types of ammunition are illegal to possess You are a zealot Nod, because you refuse to be realistic, and you push your opinion on others by trying to make it seem sensible even when statistics and common sense are not in your favor. How do statistics not count? They prove my point with actual numbers as opposed to your opinion. I will put it like this. Machine guns have been around since WWI and are in usage all around the world. They are even available for purchase by civilians, but they are highly regulated, and extremely expensive. It is easy to make a semi-automatic rifle fully automatic. You can buy machine guns on the black market that have been smuggled into the country. Why don’t we see machine guns on the news all the time? Why doesn’t every “gun –nut ” have one? Because it is illegal. Law abiding people don’t want to break the law, they don’t want to be criminals. That is my point. You don’t trust gun owners. You think they are bad, and will commit crimes with their gun if they are allowed to have them. What is stopping a person from carrying a gun to your assemblies? Even if I didn’t have a CCW I can still carry a gun to your assembly. No one will know. Guns in good people’s hands certainly cannot harm society.

nos
Mar 16, 2010

Well, again, since no one except the 'true-believers", has posted in quite a while, I plan to declare victory, call it a day, and move on. Therefore I won't see anything posted beyone now. Let the gun-nuts rant, if they choose. My message to anyone of rational, thoughtful good will and an open-mind: Just think about the future. Do you wish to see an "arms-race", with more and more people packing more and more destructive guns, in places of public assembly? That's where it is headed if we cave to the NRA and their supporters. Where will that trend end? Who will take the first step and say--NO!-? " I won't go armed to church, to the mall or movies, to the NationalParks" and I will not support those who do, because they DO harm me by so doing. They make for a less, not more, civilized society. I speak as a gun owner, not a 'zealot' who wants to "take away your guns" but someone who cares about our world, our Nation and our citizens. I don't want my grand-daughter to live in a world where guns are everywhere in public places. Please stand up and speak out. Thanks for listening.

nod
Mar 15, 2010

The reason I say CJ and some others make my case is because they DO. Maybe not to them, because they have closed minds. But,I'm certain that the averge reader here (if there still are some)can see the difference between my rationale and the erratic, taken-out-of-context "statistics" he quotes. One does not need to look at England (where, by-the-way, I once lived) and where guns in public are rare. Just THINK! Is the world going to be a better and safer place with more and more people carrying more and more potent guns in places of public assembly? Of course not, and thoughtful people instinctively know that. I had opted out of further discussion on this, here, but happened upon CJ's latest rant. If you need statistics to know that more guns in public do NOT make you safer, you're trying to prove a negative. That's different from saying that more guns cause more crime. I'm sure most readers here understand that.

C.J.
Mar 14, 2010

Oh and nod Quit saying "he made my case" it doesn't make any sense. I made a case with knowlege and common sense. you just say more guns equals more crime. I have stated that is incorrect. If you want to be able to have a case you need some facts not your oppinion. Show me a statistic that proves more guns equals more crime. Show me a stat that law abiding gun owners cause more violent deaths than Non-gun owners. You can't because as I have stated the stats don't exist. Here is an example. In the two years after England's hand gun ban hand gun crimes have risen 40% Intent to kill is the same with or without a gun. All gun laws do is make the victim an easier target.

C.J.
Mar 14, 2010

Not only do you disagree you don't read the full posts either. You know nothing of guns except you don't like them. Then you say "Well I disagree with you so the converstion is over". Nice. There is no arms race in American society. You just want to scare people. There are laws that govern guns just as with almost everything else. As I stated the readers will not nor will you know I have a gun. Just say it. You hate guns. No matter the statistics no matter what proof there is that law abiding citizens with guns are not a threat. you just don't like them. Your civial world with all these equalities would not even be possible without guns. Most Europeans would still be peasants, and Africa would still be colonies, but that doesn't matter to you. You live in this fantasy world where crime doesn't exist. "I have no Idea why C.J. and the rest of the gun-nuts would want to be able to protect themselves there is no crime anyway". If there is no threat and we are all just paranoid "gun-nuts" why are you so scared of guns. I mean if there is no crime then why can't we have guns to shoot targets? Oh yeah that's right there is crime in this world, and strangely enough you sure as hell don't need a gun to kill someone. I saw a prisoner try to cut the head off another prisoner with a string. A STRING!!! So Nod you just keep living in your fantasy world and let me live out here in the real world. As for all the other readers I can not vouch for how they would feel sitting next to me in ignorance of my CCW, but I can tell you this. If some asshole goes on a shooting spree at Old Faithful. And I pull my gun and kill him before he can kill their kid I think they would be pretty happy.

nod
Mar 11, 2010

well, it's obvious to me, if not to CJ, that we have about worn out this discussion; He and I are never going to agree. He may be a perfectly nice person. We just see the world differently. I never expected to change or influence his thinking, and he certainly couldn't convince me. I think, and continue to be certain, that more guns, bigger, more powerful guns, in the hands of more and more people, in places of public assembly, simply is not the formula for a better and safer world. I plan to move on now and leave it to the judgment of thoughtful, responsible Americans as to who's vision is correct.

nod
Mar 11, 2010

my goodness, what a rant! I won't even attempt a response to CJ,he makes my case well enough. As I've said, I don't expect the gun-nuts to listen. I remain convinced that thoughtful,responsible readers of this mag., will see that more and more guns in more and more hands will not make us safer, nor will it mark an advance in civilization. Think about it--do we really want to live in a perpetually armed state? Will there be an 'arms race', with people deciding their 38 special isn't big enough? Where will THAT end, machine guns? What kind of world do we want our children and grandchildren to inherit? My vote and my effort will be to assure that they are not sitting in church pews, surrounded by guns, that they can enjoy a trip to the Grand Canyon, in company of other people who appreciate our Nation's National Parks, (as I do, regularly), without having to pack a gun, or be surrounded by them.(by the way, C.J.,was simply wrong about the long-standing NationalPark Service regulations about guns. Unloaded and locked away, they would have been perfectly legal). That would NOT be my idea of safety, or of civil discourse. I ask the thoughtful reader to consider-after reading these posts, would you rather have me or CJ next to you in church,at the shopping mall, or at your next visit to a National Park? Will you feel safer knowing that he's got a gun in his pocket? No doubt the gun-crowd will rush to respond. I don't care about that, I do know what most readers here will THINK. That's my hope, that normal, responsible citizens, will THINK about the long-term implications of more guns in public places.

C.J.
Mar 08, 2010

No Nod. We made our case and you are just intent not to be open minded enough to listen. Any open minded reasonable person would understand what I and others have written on this page. An open minded and reasonable person would use facts and statistics not their own personal feelings to discuss a topic, or at least be up front enough to let everyone know their biases. I realize this is a backpacking mag. and not a NRA mag. Your assumption that the readers of this mag. that are anti-gun have the only, right view of this discussion is very close-minded. Also you make the assumption that Pro-gun people like myself are close-minded. I happen to be very open-minded, but I use reason and logic to form my opinions instead of wishful thinking. You evidently don't get what we are saying. There is no such thing a freedom from guns in public places or at assemblies. The Nazis used clubs at public assemblies to violently oppress their political opposition. So should bats be outlawed in National and State parks? What about pens and pencils? They can be used as deadly weapons. What about a machete I use one to cut fire wood. Should it be illegal for me to have one because they are used to kill people. Maybe fires should be illegal to have in National Parks. Fire kills a lot of people every year. Most violent occurrences in your civilized places of public assembly occur in the form of punches and kicks better known as riots. So should we all be forced to wear boxing gloves and hobbles while in National Parks? Your argument stands on the idea that people with guns are inherently violent. The sheer number of gun owners in this country compared to our crime rates put that one right out the window. So that leaves the guns to blame for violence and your fear of them. Another cliché you will like” guns don’t kill people…….. people kill people”. Guns will not grow legs and start shooting people at least not that I have seen. Most of the people I have learned of being shot. Either shot themselves or someone else shot them. The gun didn’t just go off while it was in the pocket, shelf, or gun cabinet. (of course responsible gun owners don’t store their guns loaded) So what is the difference between fist and a gun? Nothing except a weak person will always lose in a fist fight with a stronger person. This new law that only allows people with a concealed weapons permit, that have gone through extensive background checks, been fingerprinted, and had training in use of force and gun usage. All that just to obtain a state license. A license that is required to carry a concealed weapon in National parks. What does it change except allowing law abiding citizens to have weapons as opposed to criminals that do not care what the law says. If you ran into Red Neck on the AT how would you know that he had a gun? Let’s say you and I were sitting next to each other in Yellowstone waiting for Old Faithful to erupt. We would probably sit there and have a nice discussion about the weather, how awesome Yellowstone is, and how lucky we are to live in a country that had the foresight to preserve amazing natural wonders like this. You would never know I was sitting next to you with a gun. Even if you asked me I would not tell you I had gun. So what has changed ? Am I scaring you with a gun? No. Even if you verbally or physically attacked me I would not use my gun unless I was in fear for my life. Which would not occur because hopefully bystanders would stop you from beating me to death. So what has changed? Nothing. Before this law was enacted there were guns in National Parks. You just never knew about them. This law is just protection for law abiding gun owners that are traveling with their gun. I drove across the country while moving and was forbidden to stay in a National Park because I had all my guns locked in my gun safe in my truck. There was no way to disassemble all of them and be compliant with the old laws. So as a gun owner I was punished. Seems like discrimination does it not. You stated that more guns equals more violence. I would like to point out that when almost every home had guns, and automatic weapons were able to be purchased from hardware stores America’s crime rates were lower than now. Also states with more strict gun laws have higher crime rates than states with loser gun laws. Your case has no legs. Every piece of statistical information about gun control is in favor of common sense laws that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally unstable people and in the hands good law abiding citizens. Don posted a comment about how we already had the wild west days. How bad would it have been if only the outlaws had the guns and the good people had none. Look at Warsaw, Poland in WWII. The Warsaw uprising would have been a joke if only the Nazis had guns. The Jewish population would have not been decimated if every one of the 6 million Jews had a gun and used it to fight against Nazi oppression. More guns does not equal more violent crime. More criminals equals more crime. You want your perfect civil society where violent attacks are a thing of the past? Start with permanently removing criminals from society. You want less gun crimes enforce the laws on the books effectively, and keep guns out of the hands of people that use them for evil.

nod
Mar 07, 2010

Well: CJ, Redneck just made my case for me, and you chimed in. This isn't about "outlawing" gun ownership, it IS about freedom FROM guns in places of public assembly. Fact is, I don't expect to convince people like you. You're fixated on that position. If this was an NRA mag., I wouln't bother. My thesis, however, is that many, perhaps most, readers of Backpack Mag. are NOT confirmed gun-packers, are reasonable and open-minded people, by and large, who can see that a nation where everyone, or even much larger numbers of people carrying guns around public places, is not going to make for a safer environment. We just shouldn't go down that path, if we expect to become a tolerant, considerate, open-minded citizenry. Maybe we're not quite there yet, but I hope I don't have to run into 'redneck' on the AT, or anyplace else, for that matter. I'll take my chances with those, illusionary threats that he thinks he sees out there.

C.J.
Mar 06, 2010

Nod he is pissed off because people want to take away our freedom because bad people choose to use guns in violent crimes. How would you feel if you couldn't go backpacking because some evil backpacker was out on the trails killing people? Or let's for argument say you really like playing baseball, but you weren't allowed to buy baseball bats because a bunch of idiots were murdering people with baseball bats (which kill more people every year thatn guns, but are not illegal) It is really simple. Free people should be allowed to own a tool as long as they are not hurting anyone else. (see my automobile analogy from previous posts) Just because bad people do bad things does not mean I should lose my rights. Look at the concealed carry stats on violent crimes committed by people with concealed carry licences. They are almost nil. As for your comment about "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". I am sorry you aren't able to see how this stuff works, but to me it makes perfect sense. It is illegal for convicted felons to possess a gun, but they have them and use them to harm others all the time. So if you pass another law that says everybody give up your guns these felons that are already breaking the law are just going to give them up. Yeah right. Now most law abiding citizens will turn them in. That leaves the criminals with the guns. You can hope the police get to your house or campsite in time to save you from someone intent on doing you harm, but I am going to protect myself. when the police get there they can take over.

Nod
Mar 06, 2010

So, we have a young, 'pissed-off' redneck who is so original that he thinks "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns", hiking through our neighborhood, armed. THAT should be reasuring!!

"Red Neck!"
Mar 06, 2010

You anti gun people piss me off. If guns were banned in this country, guess what.. It would only stop the people that buy and use them LEGALLY. Most of your gang-bangers and thugs already buy them illegaly, and won't stop carrying them if this government ever decides to ban firearms.

The ONLY people a law such as this would disarm, are the people who follow gun laws, and carry firearms to protect themselves and their families from the criminals. Ban guns, and the you will leave the law abiding citizens with no way of protecting themselves from the CRIMINALS that WILL STILL have guns.

Also, as far as the safety issue concerning firearms, I was taught at a very young age, how to behave around, and shoot firearms. It's been a life long passion of mine, and NOT ONCE have I ever wanted to harm anyone with a gun. My stepdad teaches a Concealed Carry class, and I just turned 21, so I will DEFF be carrying a handgun everywhere I can.

Oh, and I'm leaving for the AT shortly... And yes, I will have a firearm on me..

"Red Neck!"
Mar 06, 2010

You anti gun people piss me off. If guns were banned in this country, guess what.. It would only stop the people that buy and use them LEGALLY. Most of your gang-bangers and thugs already buy them illegaly, and won't stop carrying them if this government ever decides to ban firearms.

The ONLY people a law such as this would disarm, are the people who follow gun laws, and carry firearms to protect themselves and their families from the criminals. Ban guns, and the you will leave the law abiding citizens with no way of protecting themselves from the CRIMINALS that WILL STILL have guns.

Also, as far as the safety issue concerning firearms, I was taught at a very young age, how to behave around, and shoot firearms. It's been a life long passion of mine, and NOT ONCE have I ever wanted to harm anyone with a gun. My stepdad teaches a Concealed Carry class, and I just turned 21, so I will DEFF be carrying a handgun everywhere I can.

Oh, and I'm leaving for the AT shortly... And yes, I will have a firearm on me..

don
Mar 05, 2010

Well, CJ, I'm glad you didn't get zapped. I can only say that, while I know some do, I've never advocated taking your guns away, or preventing you from being able to engage in your shooting sports. You may have missed my early post in which I mentioned that I own some 8 or so guns, like yours, safely secured at home. What I oppose is the proliferation of people carrying them, loaded and ready to use, in public places like churches, shopping malls, National Parks, etc. What I regret, perhaps even more is that some people WANT to do so, are so misguided as to think that the world will be safer if more and more guns are in evidence in more places. It just defies reason to think that. Exercising your presumed 'freedom' takes away the freedom of others to assemble, free of the threat of firearms at the ready, in the hands of 'who knows who'.(maybe they are trained, experienced and responsible gun-owners like you,--maybe not). As I've asked before: didn't we already try that? Haven't we already had the 'wild west' days? You can exercise your right to drive a car, even though we know that they can kill, but your rights to do so are limited by reasonable regulation. I seek nothing less for guns. I had already retired from the dialog here, to move on, but, since you addressed me directly, I wanted to make this last response.

CJ
Mar 04, 2010

Nevermind my last post. The original just showed up when I posted my last sorry about that.

CJ
Mar 04, 2010

I posted a retort to your post Don, but it didn't show up. I don't know if it was removed (I don't see why it would have been it was respectful and not malicious) or just didn't go up. I am not in the mood to repost it. I will just say this. Shooting is a gret sport just like golf. I don't hunt or ever intend to harm anyone with my guns. Even if I lived in the eutopian society you dream of I still would own guns. They are fun and shooting a is a great sport. I don't feel that responsible gun owners should lose their freedom because bad people use guns to harm other people (see my car analogy). More people are violently killed by bare hands each year than guns. As for children accidentaly shooting someone. Unfortunatly it does happen. As a responsible gun owner I keep all my guns locked up so my kid cannot get to them. Not that he would because he has been properly trained in gun safety. Something that would decrease the risk of accidental shooting. Modern guns also do not go off if dropped. They have a drop safety that prevents the firing pin from contacting the primer. I am a FREE man in a free country. I don't understand why I as a lawabiding citizen I should not be allowed to have guns. I respect your right to not like guns ar own them, but in the same breath you should respect my right to responsibly own guns.

CJ
Mar 04, 2010

I posted a retort to your post Don, but it didn't show up. I don't know if it was removed (I don't see why it would have been it was respectful and not malicious) or just didn't go up. I am not in the mood to repost it. I will just say this. Shooting is a gret sport just like golf. I don't hunt or ever intend to harm anyone with my guns. Even if I lived in the eutopian society you dream of I still would own guns. They are fun and shooting a is a great sport. I don't feel that responsible gun owners should lose their freedom because bad people use guns to harm other people (see my car analogy). More people are violently killed by bare hands each year than guns. As for children accidentaly shooting someone. Unfortunatly it does happen. As a responsible gun owner I keep all my guns locked up so my kid cannot get to them. Not that he would because he has been properly trained in gun safety. Something that would decrease the risk of accidental shooting. Modern guns also do not go off if dropped. They have a drop safety that prevents the firing pin from contacting the primer. I am a FREE man in a free country. I don't understand why I as a lawabiding citizen I should not be allowed to have guns. I respect your right to not like guns ar own them, but in the same breath you should respect my right to responsibly own guns.

C.J.
Mar 04, 2010

To don again. I don't think every woman has AIDS, but (if or when I wasn't married) I still carried a condom and wore it if I had the chance to use it. A gun is the same thing. I don't ever want to use it, but if someone wants to harm me of my family (and there are people in your civil society that want to cause harm) I will use it. I am very comfortable in the wilderness. I still carry a gun. The gun I carry is very small. it is only for selfdefense against bad humans. The gun I carry will only piss a bear off. If I am traveling in bear country I carry bear spray. As I said I carry a gun everywhere I may legally do so. I find it hard to believe that the people that carry a "gun on their hip" are pushing their pro-gun beliefs on you. Mostly because most states have concealed carry laws. They only allow you to carry so other people don't know about it. It is also advantagous because your attacker will not know you are armed. Also modern guns do not go off if they are dropped. They have a drop safety that will block the firing pin from making contact with the primer. To address your theory that a child is more likely to accidently shoot someone. Unfortunatly it does happen, but if you look at the stats it doesn't happen as much as most people think. Responsible gun owners like myself keep their guns under lock and key or on their person. Not just to keep my kid from getting at them, but also to keep thieves from getting my expensive collector piece guns. I keep a gun right next to my bed in case of a home break in. It is in a special safe that uses a combination that can be opened by feel so even in the dark I can get it opened in seconds. Also it is a proven fact the kids that have been taught proper safe handling on firearms are much less likely to have an accident with guns. Zmac is simply reiterating my point. You cannot dis-invent guns, and they are easily made. I would also like to point out that soceties with guns usually have lower crime rates. America has plenty of gun laws just like for automobiles. Instead of inforcing the ones we have we spend time and money on (for you) making new ones, and (for me) fighting against new ones, instead of enforcing the ones we have. Look at the stats. Most violent gun crimes are committed by mentally unstable (against the law to posess a gun) and convicted felons (also illegal to posses a gun). If we spent more time enforcing the laws on the books gun crime rates will drop. Also (this is controvercial but)if we kill the bad people in our society instead of letting them free to do it again we can lower our violent crime rates. I love guns, and even if we lived in a eutopian society that has no crime at all I would still own guns. It is a sport just like golf. Hell the biatlon (a great sport by the way) in the winter olympics use guns. Don if you have never shot a gun I suggest you give it a try. If for nothing more than to be well informed when debating against guns. If you look at the statistics (they came from an anti-gun political push for the CDC to find guns as very dangerous and therefore able to be banned it blew up in the anti-gunners face I might add) the #1 violent cause of death is bare hands. #2 blunt force trauma. #3 stabbing wounds. and #4 guns. As I said before a weak person can not physically defend themselves against a stronger attacker. Or one with a bat. A gun in the hands of responsible people will allow the weaker person to fight off an attacker. I respect your view that you don't like guns and don't want them, but in the same breath you have to respect my right to own and carry them. I have never and never intend to use a gun to harm another person. I don't understan why I as a FREE man that only uses them for recreation and sport (hell I don't even hunt) can't responsibly own a gun.







don
Mar 03, 2010

Like the last poster, I also enjoyed the video and thought it funny. My decision to post my comments was induced by the later, irrational and annoying posts by pro-gun folks. And, incidentally, my shorts are nicely pressed. I don't normally engage like this, primarily because the gun types seldom seem able or willing to discuss it civilly. I did it here because I thought the Backpacker Mag. readers might be more open-minded than some others. I think, generally, I was right. ZMAC thinks my question is not answerable, because it defies reason. I'm sorry he sees it that way. I think all questions are 'answerable' if people of good-will and good ideas will speak up. I regret that some people see a world of threat, of bad people or dangerous animals, to such extent that they think they have to go around armed at all times. Looking over their shoulder and fantasizing about how they will blow the bad guy, or the grizzly, away. THAT is the 'unreality'. Friends, you are MUCH more likely to have your child shot, playing with a gun he found, or to be victim of a road-rage shooting than any of those imagined threats. When you show up at church, at the mall or concert, or the National Park, with a gun on your hip, you ARE impacting the rest of us, you ARE imposing it on me, and it's not just a matter of your choice, it's everyone's business. We've already passed through the dark ages where everyone carried a sword or dagger, and the wild-west, where everyone carried a gun into the saloon. We're trying to establish a civil society that moves beyond the kill or be killed mentality. Sure, it's POSSIBLE, that you or I may, someday, somehow, be confronted by a threat. Even then, I argue, the odds are that we'll emerge MORE safely WITHOUT more people having more guns. Just because you may not be able to see, right now, how we achieve gun-free public assembly, doesn't mean it's not a desirable (or achievable) goal. On balance, the world WILL be a better, and safer place without them. With that, I'll move on with good wishes to all who cared enough to engage.

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