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Acclimatization Insight

Q.} Does hiking and sleeping at altitude for the weekend one to three weeks prior to taking a hike at 14,000 help acclimating? I would be back at sea level for the work weeks in between.
Submitted by: Charley, Detroit, MI
A.} Unfortunately, you can’t expect any benefit from intermittent time at altitude. Acclimatization to higher elevations is lost at approximately the same rate as it is gained. Two or three days at high altitude followed by two or three days back down low and you're right back where you started—possibly in more ways than one. Some people will take Diamox, a prescription medication that mimicks your body’s response to altitude, several days in advance of their high-altitude trip. It can prevent and treat symptoms of altitude sickness.
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Nick
Nov 26, 2012

The human body has two ways to acclimate to high altitudes. The first one is for short term exposure which usually normalizes in up to 4 days, but you'll still be lethargic till long term adaptation occurs. The long term depends on how high you are. This takes 2 to 6 weeks as your body progressively produces more red blood cells, myoglobin, mitochondria along with other cellular adaptations to accommodate your new oxygen levels.

Davethehiker
Oct 26, 2012

When I mentioned to my PCP that I was going to climb in the Grand Tetons, he suggested that I first drive to nearby city that was at high altitude and spend the night at a hotel. I took his advice and think it helped. I met some people who where forced to descend because of altitude sickness. I had absolutely no problems.

Eric B.
Oct 26, 2012

"Climb high, sleep lower." is the advice that seems to work. Climb to, say, 8,000 ft. then sleep at 7,000 ft. then go on up to 11,000 ft. and sleep at 10,000 ft. then peak bag at 14,000 ft. and descend to sleep at camp 2, etc.

alish
Mar 25, 2012

Research has shown that those who train on a regular basis (esp. cardio fitness) acclimate more slowly than those with less fitness because their bodies are used to a mild degree of hypoxia during training. However, once you acclimate, those with better fitness will likely have less issues because the exertion of the hike will be less taxing compared to those with less fitness. Strenuous activity at altitude will take a longer recovery time, and those with less fitness may very well end up having altitude issues after a strenuous day (if still sleeping at altitude that night).

Other things to be careful about - too much sodium when going to altitude can cause issues for some people (likely to be a result of not staying hydrated). This goes the same for taking Diamox. Only take it if you will be able to stay very well hydrated as this is how it actually works (triggers increased urine production).

Stay well hydrated before and while at altitude, eat a very high carbohydrate diet while at high altitude (avoid fats and protein), no alcohol, and whenever possible, average ascent should only be 1000 ft per day above 10,000ft. And when spending multiple days above 10,000, sleeping lower than the day's high point will improve the ability to recover.

Stan
Mar 01, 2012

I agree with Moondust. The rate of acclimatizing gets faster/easier. It may go away, but it comes back faster.

James
Mar 01, 2012

Numerous medical studies have shown that physical fitness has no relationship to susceptibility to altitude sickness.

Paul S
Mar 01, 2012

Where did the word "acclimatization" come from? --From the British. We speak English.
The word is Acclimate!

Ranger
Mar 01, 2012

I just don't care about the spelling of a word. Lets get the info out for people that want it without the English-101 lessons from you non-professors.

Luke
Aug 22, 2011

@Paul - not to bicker over the correct spelling of a word, but "acclimatization" or "acclimatisation" in its British spelling are both just as valid as "acclimation". Part of the reason why your spell-checker isn't complaining :) Just because some form of a word is harder to pronounce for some (acclimatization sounds better to me and lots of others) doesn't make it wrong. Furthermore, scientist often tend to make a distinction between acclimation (adjustment to a single controlled change in environment, usually under a laboratory environment) and acclimatization (adjustment to the entire range of changes between natural environments). While acclimation may be more commonly used in general in the English language (i.e. "I need some time to acclimate to my new apartment"), acclimatize seems to be more common among mountaineers (i.e. "Climbers on Everest must spend several months acclimatizing to the altitude").

Thop
Aug 21, 2011

I strongly second what others have said about physical fitness and hydration, but this is definitely an individual issue - some people just do better than others. I am 59, live at sea level in Texas, have done over 20 Colorado 14ers. I am in very good, not the best, shape. I have never had an altitude issue up to 14,433 (Elbert). I generally fly into Denver sleep there at 5,500, then travel the next day to site and sleep from 9,00 to 11,500, then climb. Example: I just came off Bierstadt and Longs on Aug 5 and 6. Fly into Denver Aug 4 at 8 pm and slept. I was on top of Bierstadt 14,060 at 9:30 the next morning - no problem other than fatigue. This was a Longs warm-up. Slept that night near Longs at 9,000, hit the trail the next morning at 3:25 am, summitted 14,255 at 9:45 am, back at TH at 2:10 pm. 15 miles RT, no problem, other than fatigue. My point is, I have been with people who get ill at 10,000 after three days. For me, it is an issue of increased fatigue, like a second pack, but no more. No headaches, no nausea. I do take a couple of Advil for my joints which seem to swell and ache more at altitude. Get in the best shape you can, monitor yourself. Respect the mountain - always.

Paul S
Aug 20, 2011

You guys need to get it straight: the word is Acclimation (not acclimatization). Its harder to say what you have printed. OK, I'm not sure, it may be in some dictionary since some politician probably said this and people repeat it, but its not right!

Ikan Mas
Aug 19, 2011

A couple of suggestions for those going above 9000 feet.

1. Get in shape, regardless of altitude. Most people are in denial regarding their physical fitness. Shape doesn't mean run a couple of miles on the weekend. It means being able sustain rigorous exercise for an hour or more. I suggest biking for an hour to an hour and a half hard for at least three days a week with lighter exercise in between.

2. Keep yourself hydrated. Altitude sickness symptons seem to be close to dehydration symptons. I suggest a good electrolyte like Vitat Lyte or Cytomax. Most hikers fail to realize how dehydrated they are. If you are peeing yellow you are not drinking enough.

Draeger
Aug 19, 2011

When a person is at higher altitude, for any length of time, the body begins to respond to the lower oxygen levels by producing more red blood cells. Of course, it's the red blood cells that carry oxygen to your bodies tissues. The life span of a red blood cell is 3 months. So during a weekend trip to altitude, your body may not have produced a tremendous amount of additional blood cells, but the "extra" blood cells that have been made during that time will be available for several months. The real question is whether or not you'll see a real benefit from what little you've gained over the short time. Either way, it can't hurt!

KBWood
Aug 19, 2011

I have learn through bitter experience physical condition - especially cardio - plays a huge role in both susceptibility and acclimation. The better your conditioning the less susceptible and faster you acclimate. I live near sea level and train twice a week on a 4 mile, 2500 climb trail near my house. I just returned from a 9 day trek in New Mexico having had a few mild issues day one but was over that by day two while several of my companions suffered for up to half the trek. I felt good for being one of two over 30 YO and the only one over 40 YO.

Moondust
Aug 19, 2011

I have a dfferent experience. I live at sea level but hike at altitude at least one day per weekend during the season. I always feel some effects on the year's first high altitude hike, but I seem to be totally acclimated by the fourth or fifth weekend, even at 14K, and even for multiple days. I'm not the only person I know who seems to stay acclimated even though we "go back down" for the week. Maybe a new study needs to be done.

Moondust
Aug 19, 2011

I live at sea level but hike at altitude every weekend (usually just one day) during the season. On the first hike I'll be feeling some altitude effects. By the fourth or fifth weekend I'm fine, even to 14K, even for multiple days. Maybe they should do a study on people like me. I know many others with the same experience.

Moondust
Aug 19, 2011

I live at sea level but hike at altitude every weekend (usually just one day) during the season. On the first hike I'll be feeling some altitude effects. By the fourth or fifth weekend I'm fine, even to 14K, even for multiple days. Maybe they should do a study on people like me. I know many others with the same experience.

DyanTX
Aug 19, 2011

I am extremely sensitive to altitude (barometric pressure) changes but I have found that taking 250 mg of gingko biloba twice a day helps prevent the headaches and nausea of increasing altitude. I start 2-3 days prior to the trip and continue throughout the time at altitudes above 7500 ft. Works for me!

meanolddog
Aug 16, 2011

I wish we could do that. In 40 trips out of Bishop into the High Sierra's coming from sea level as in San Diego, I always had to spend two days at Lake Sabrina then two Days at Blue Lake before going higher on to Hungry Packer Lake or further on to the John Muir trail..Whereas my hiking companion didn't seem to be bothered by the alttitude too much at all, he was from Susanville Ca., until he got above the 11,000 foot level. And many Day Hikers we saw would hike in to Mt.Darwin, climb it, and hike back out in one day and the altitude didn't seem to bother them much either. Only two people we met on the trail admitted to taking Diamox but I guess if it is one day then the effects really don't sink in quickly as in multi-day trips. But I'd rather be safe than sorry and take my time and plan for extended days at elevation..

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If cups and cook pots are exposed to untreated water, are they safe to use after they air dry?
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Can you get rabies or other diseases by using a bite valve that some animal has been nibbling on? Will alcohol sanitizer "sterilize" it?
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Can an electric jolt from a DC source (i.e., spark plug wire, hand-held stunner) neutralize snake venom? I recall a series of articles on this published in the late '60s by an outdoor magazine. The DC current allegedly polarized the molecules of the venom.
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I once heard that pouring granulated sugar into a deep, bloody wound would aid in clotting–but I've always heard that putting anything into an open would is bad. Set me straight, Buck!
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Camping in bear country with children and diapers: Do diapers inside the tent, wet or dry, attract bears?
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I saw an episode of Survivorman where he drank water knowing it was contaminated and would cause him to have diarrhea. He said that having diarrhea would be better than being dehydrated. Would you agree?
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I heard somewhere that it isn't necessary to bring water to a boil in order to purify it, as long as you get the temperature up to 140 degrees or more. Is this true?
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Is it possible to experience mild altitude sickness with backpacking trips below 10,000 feet? I experience gas pain during the trip, and after I return, I’m somewhat tired, short of breath and sickly feeling for days after. I'm in great shape. Any ideas?
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What are the best options for treating heat exhaustion in a remote area (no cell phone service) with no one else around? Is there something I can add to my first aid kit that would help?
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Does using sunscreen or bug repellent attract bears?
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Regarding Giardia and crypto: Can one develop a tolerance or immunity to them?  I remember drinking from streams as a child while fishing and hiking in the backcountry.  Surely I couldn't have been lucky than many times.

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I'm having my first child this summer, and I plan to hike and camp with her in the mountains as soon as she can hold her head up. How will I know if she's acclimatized to the altitude?
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How long does it take to start feeling the effects of poison oak exposure?
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Can you get some of the waterborne parasites, such as Giardia, through open wounds or cuts and scrapes?

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Buck, I have heard that the bonding agents like Super Glue or Krazy Glue can be used to seal wounds in the backcountry, But I also understand that they could cause the patient problems.  Is this true, and what's the risk vs. benefit? 

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In a bivy, what are the chances of a rattler crawling in with me and/or of me rolling over on one with my arms and torso bare? I'm not sleeping well with this!
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Will placing a copper penny on a wasp, hornet, or bee sting reduce the pain and swelling?
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I'm preparing for a trip in bear/mountain lion country.  I've seen bells marketed as a way to notify animals that you are in the area.  Could use of the bell actually attract predators that are used to hearing bells on livestock?

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My wife, who's allergic to bees, is reluctant to hike with me. What can I do to ease her fear of getting stung?
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I use duct tape for potential hot spots on my feet when I go for a long hike, and it works great. I want to try the same for chafing between the legs, but I'm too scared to try. Do you know if this works better than lotions or creams?
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A friend who used to read electric meters told me that all the readers carried a squirt gun loaded with ammonia to repel dogs. Would it work for bears too?
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Do odorproof bags work? And are they any more effective than standard zip-top bags for keeping in smells?
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Can you advise on how to deal with a cougar encounter?
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Is bear spray effective against snakes?
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Is it safe to wear DEET in summer when bears are around? I've heard the bear will come after you because it smells.

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Q: A friend told me today that if a bear (or alligator) chases you, it is possible to outrun them if you run in a zigzag pattern because they don't turn very well. Is this true?
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What is the best lightning safety strategy when camping above treeline, and the storm strikes in the middle of the night when you are all asleep in tents?
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I am hiking from Mexico to Canada this May (2,650 miles), and my two friends are mostly going to munch on trail mixes--but I can't eat nuts! What can I eat that is lightweight, yet gives me what my body needs to hike 20-plus miles a day?
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I've used a UV light pen for water treatment, and typically scoop water into the bottle. But will the pen kill any parasites, bacteria, and viruses that are in the droplets around the rim of the bottle, or does it just kill those in the water being stirred?
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I've been backpacking for ten years and have never had any pain in my legs, but recently I've been getting a severe pain down the front of my legs and swelling in my feet. What could I be experiencing?
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I sprained my ankle two months ago playing volleyball. I can hike on level surfaces, but side-to-side motion—typical of backpacking—hurts. I wear a lace-up cast when hiking. Should I stay off it, or use therapy and exercise to strengthen it?
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Does dark-colored clothing really attract more mosquitoes then light-colored clothing?
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Would taking an over-the-counter antihistamine (like Zyrtec) before getting in the tent help get rid of the itch from mosquitoes or other itchy things for the next day?
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What is the best thing you can do to train for a climb or long hike?

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I once punched a black bear in the nose that was sniffing my hammock while I was in it. The bruin retreated and huffed at me for a while, and I huffed back. Since then I've always wondered, does huffing at a bear encourage it to act aggressively?
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I want to wear deodorant, but I don't want to attract attention from bears. Is baking soda a good solution?

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Will drinking urine when no water is available allow you to survive longer? I have heard conflicting information.
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I'm curious about insect repellents for kids. Is DEET okay to use on a six-year-old? Thanks!

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I recently did a tough 14-mile hike and woke up with a huge headache and nausea. I thought it was dehydration, but ended up in an emergency room being treated for an exercise-induced migraine. Anything I can do to prevent this from happening again?
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Does bear spray really work? I have heard mixed things. If it does work, how?
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What is best diet at high altitude--fish, carbohydrate etc?

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I have been an avid backpacker for most of my life, and now that I'm getting up there in age I'm noticing my posture getting poorer. Does backpacking contribute to this? And do products like the posture girdle straps I've seen online help—or do the muscles and bones require more support than that? Is this a job for the chiropractor?

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How toxic is methanol? Is it safe to get on my body?
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Cold weather sleeping--is it correct to don the clothes you intend to wear the next day, so you're not sleeping in sweat-dampened attire and then becoming chilled overnight?

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During my hikes in the fall, between the summer and winter layers, moisture builds up and my chest tends to rub raw. What is the best way to stop this, besides changing shirts more often? Could I use something like Vaseline?
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Just had a wonderful time hiking the Grand Canyon. But after 28 miles, I have swollen, painful legs from the knee through the ankle. Any tips for recovery?

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If I take my dog on a high-altitude excursion with me, should I acclimatize Fido as well as myself before we go?


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When carrying a pack of pretty much any size and weight and using the hip belt, my left leg will go numb sometimes. The problem goes away if I loosen the belt, but this defeats carrying the weight on my waist. (I've been fitted by knowledgeable people.)
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What are the pros and cons of using UV light pens for water treatment? How effective are they against parasites, bacteria, and viruses?
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I'm going fishing in the Trinity Forest rivers, and there are a lot of bears there at this time of year. I can't afford an expensive bear deterrent: What can I use to assist me? I was told to use regular pepper spray or bleach.
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We're rafters. In a thunderstorm, should we stay in the boat (the absolute lowest point around) or pull ashore and get out of the water?
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On an episode of Survivorman, Les Stroud cooked grasshoppers, stating if you didn't, you might get a tapeworm. But he ate a raw scorpion–couldn't one just as easily get a tapeworm from a scorpion?
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I am trying to lose weight and boost my stamina for a hike to Colorado next year. Should I eat a big breakfast for a three-day hike to the Porcupine Mountains, or a smaller breakfast and rely on my fat reserves to help burn off the weight?
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Is it better to drive a long distance to a much higher elevation (like from the Northeast to the Rockies) to get used to the elevation gradually?
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On a recent backpacking trip, I underestimated the amount of mosquito repellent we'd need. Clothing did not deter the little buggers, and fires were not allowed. Is there a North American plant that can be used, or something one can do to avoid being eaten alive?
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I know that all snakes are edible...what about snails? Is all escargot created equal?
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I've been told for years that the proper way to wait out a lightning storm is to crouch down. But I always wondered why this was better than just lying down on the ground. You would seem to be less of a target if you are lying down flat.
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I have a friend who is a city arborist. He knows a bit about plants as well as trees. He told me that it was possible to build up a relative immunity to poison ivy by ingesting the leaves of the plant in small doses over time. Is this true?
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Does soaking your feet in black tea before a hike reduce sweat and prevent blisters?
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I was just wondering, since I hear about people eating rattlesnake all the time: Are all snakes edible? And what about eels?
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On a consistently wet, rainy 3-day trip, I experienced softened skin that cracked. I never was able to get dry shoes or socks. Each day my feet would be soaked within minutes. What can I do in the future to help stop this?
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Does the human body absorb cold water or body-temperature water faster?
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I'm a side sleeper who can't get through a night on a sleeping pad without pain in my hips and knees that causes me to toss and turn from about 1 a.m. on. Any suggestions for remedying that? I sleep well on a regular mattress.
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What's the best spray to keep mosquitoes off of me?
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My son came back from an outdoor camp and proclaimed that rubbing the liquid from the broken stalk of a fern on a sting from nettles, poison ivy, or poison oak will stop the stinging. Is it true?
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I live at sea level, and am backpacking in Yosemite for 10 days. I've heard there are supplements that boost your oxygen intake, if you take them a week or so in advance. Is the hype true, and is it worth the money? The ones I have seen are not cheap!
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What do you think about giving Benadryl as a sedative for a snakebite victim? Or just having it handy for panic situations?
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I recently went hiking in the Phoenix area. I feel like I ate about a ton of dust–a fine particle, like talc. (Silly me, I didn't think to pack a mask.) Is that "trail dust" bad for my lungs?
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Is it safe to hike if you have high blood pressure?
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I've tried different boots, inserts, socks, and lightening my load, but I still seem to get overuse pain in my knees very early in my hikes. What else can I do to minimize knee pain?
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My middle two and sometimes three toes go numb when I hike. It is usually about 4-5 miles in, and not always on the same foot at the same time. I have very good boots that fit well. I've also noticed this with athletic shoes when working out. Any ideas?
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A lot of freeze-dried foods contain an extremely large amount of sodium. Not to name any brands, but the average serving contains 1,500 mg of sodium! That times 3 meals is nuts. You need more sodium when you're sweaty and backpacking, but how much is safe?
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Now that summer is here, what are the best methods for preventing heat exhaustion and heat stroke?
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On a recent backpacking trip, I mixed Aquamira water purification drops in my Nalgene before we reached a water source. I noticed a mist coming out of the empty bottle just prior to filling with water. What was that, and is it safe to drink?
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I have heard reports of bears and panthers (yes, panthers in upstate New York) in areas around where I want to solo hike this summer. Should I be concerned? Is it okay to go solo?
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What is the approved procedure for removing a tick? They used to be an uncommon varmint in Western Washington, but this year, I've already picked up three. Fortunately, I observed them before they attached. Ick! Ick! Ick!
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How much does an altitude of 10,000 feet affect a backpacker? I have hiked more than 5,000 miles on the AT, but the highest you get is a little over 6,000 feet. I am in my early 50s and still in decent shape, but I don't know what to expect at a higher elevation.
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I have always used chemical treatments to purify my drinking water. I was thinking about getting a water filter, but I understand that it will not filter out viruses. Is this something I should worry about if I'm backpacking in the U.S.?
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Do you think our bodies "remember" acclimating? I have been to Everest and many fourteeners, and seem to fare better at altitude than first-timers.
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How can I prevent shin splints when I'm hiking downhill?
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Are survival blankets dangerous to use during electrical storms?
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Will opening and closing an umbrella scare a bear away?
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Why don't people get sick from swimming in lakes and rivers when they probably ingest plenty of contaminated water?
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I'm a Type 1 diabetic and I'm looking for a lightweight cold pack to carry on backpacking trips that will keep my insulin cold. What do you recommend?
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We're going to Peru. What multivitamin/herbal remedy you suggest for overcoming altitude sickness?
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How long should you boil water before drinking it?
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If you were to wear an altimeter watch on an airplane, what would the elevation reading be?
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I will be backpacking in southern Arizona's deserts and drinking from cattle tanks. How should I treat or filter the water inside these tanks?
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Is a can of personal defense pepper spray an effective bear deterrent?
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After a day of hiking, I get severe leg cramps in my calves. Can you explain why these are happening and what I can do to prevent them?


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Do chiggers bite dogs, and if so, how do you combat that on the trail?
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Are bears, mountain lions, and other predators attracted to, or repelled by human urine? I often 'set up a perimeter' when camping in bear country by peeing in different locations outside of camp. Is this effective or am I just watering a lot of different rocks?
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I have three kids younger than five years old, and want to know what I need to bring and do in case they have an anaphylactic reaction to something like a bee sting on the trail. I'd hate to find out the hard way what I should have done.
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I'm interested in purchasing cold weather sleeping bags for my wife and myself. We'll be using them for backcountry snowshoe and cross-country ski camping excursions. What is your advice regarding proper winter bag sizing?
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Will vinegar repel bears or harm the environment?
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Where can I get emergency medical coverage for international travel?
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Is there anything that can be added to water (that is safe) that will lower its freezing temperature? This would be useful on a winter, overnight camping trip.
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Sometimes I smell ammonia in my sweat. What is my body telling me?
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How long can waterborne parasites survive on the outside of a Lexan bottle?
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Will eating match heads containing sulfur keep mosquitoes away?
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My wife's hands swell when she hikes. Is she in danger?
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Is it possible to have an allergic reaction to zinc oxide? My friend lathered up with it after getting a severe sunburn, and she experienced swelling and considerable pain
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I always get a rash on my shoulders where the pack harness rests. Is there anything to prevent that?
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Is wearing two pairs of socks better for cold-weather backpacking?
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A friend told me vitamin C can eliminate the taste of iodine in water. How much is necessary and does it affect the purification process?
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Can I safely purify water inside my CamelBak hydration reservoir?
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Do high-blood pressure medications increase my risk of hypothermia while hiking in negative-40°F weather?
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How can I prevent shin splints when I hike downhill?
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Are survival blankets dangerous to use during electrical storms?
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What should you do if you're in a tent, and you hear a bear outside?
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Knee Relief: After injuring my knee last year, I've noticed that the joint tends to swell after a long day of hiking. In addition to taking Advil and icing for relief, what exercises can I do to help my knee recover?
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What should I eat during hikes on hot days?
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Besides acclimatizing and drinking plenty of fluids, can I use herbs to prevent altitude sickness? Which herbs are best?
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Are children more susceptible to altitude sickness? How high can kids safely go?
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