Guns Allowed In National Parks

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Interesting it is that everyone is chirping about being in danger of an animal where the most dangerous you will be near are the squirrels and coons you let your kids feed that may be carrying rabies. A Puma would much rather stay away from you as would a bear both of which will 'usually bolt' when a shot is rang out just near them as they have wisely learned humans suck. What about the dangers of murderous and dodgy men and women on the trails? Legalities my ass. People keep inventing and spinning new ways to take away our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to live peacefully, freely, and safely WHEREVER WE roam. See above for Backpacker stand on it. You have no problems with Lewis and Clark, John Muir, Daniel Boone, and others carrying all kinds of guns. It's the same forest and they shot A LOT faster then.

The issue of firearms when backpacking. I also carry on duty and off. It kind of like getting dressed. Badge, ID and firearm. With background checks, the courses and safety, let a person carry if they want too. Understand once you but that firearm on and step outside your home, a lot of new responsibilities fall on you. It's not look at me, I got a gun. It becomes I hope I don't have to use, because it's a legal nightmare. The word you hear the most is deadly force. Carry or not to carry, you decide, but if you do carry know what comes with it.

False confidence is deadly. Advice given above about calibers and models shows source inexperience. Bears, found in many national parks, are big animals, with heavy fur and body fat to deflect all but the largest fastest bullets. I am 4th generation Montanan, own homes very near Yellowstone, hike there with my four daughters and granddaughters and wife. We see bear, and grizzly (bear on steroids) regularly.
I carry either a Ruger .454 Casull or a S&W .50 S&W magnum, over a ton of impact energy. I won't draw unless I HAVE (!!!) to shoot and I will make that first shot really count. Anyone with a popgun (that would include .44 special and .357 magnum0 will just "irritate" a bear--and that is likely to be fatal.
Like teen sex, the best strategy is to avoid dangerous situations and don't have a false sense of confidence.

"These two calibers allow you to shoot a sub caliber round (38special and 44special respectively) and will shoot "snake shot loads".


That is an incredibly stupid thing to say. That does nothing but give ammunition to the antis. When have you ever really needed to shoot a snake? I hope they double the penalty for shooting wildlife. I approve of the rule change FWIW.

The rule change was long over due!
Thank you VCDL, opencarry.org and every second amendment supporter that helped further our rights.

A Firearm is a tool....that's all. A tool that it is better to have and not need, then to need and not have.

Ha! GreyEagle, you're obviously not from Texas. A background check and a safety course won't prevent anyone from shooting a snake, or a bobcat, or whatever else they want... just because they felt "threatened." Just because you're responsible doesn't mean everyone else is... or that ANYONE else is for that matter.

People who have Concealed Carry Permints are required to have gun safety training, gun law/regulation training and be approved by the authorities, in my case the state police. we also have to go through FBI checks to purchase the weapon. We do not represent a threat to law abiding citizens, park staff or the wildlife.

"Most predators can sense the reduced fear of a gun-toting human, and are more likely to avoid an encounter, anyway."

Yeah... I'm pretty sure that's based on sound science.

"These two calibers allow you to shoot a sub caliber round (38special and 44special respectively) and will shoot 'snake shot loads.'

A 38 special or a snake shot round would be worthless against a cougar or a bear, and you will NEVER be put in a situation where it is absolutely necessary to kill a snake.

It sure feels like some folks just really like guns for guns' sake - not because there is any sensible reason to carry them. If you are so afraid of a national park that you feel like you need to pack heat, maybe you should just stay home. BTW - I'm a hunter and I own a shotgun and a rifle. I'm not anti-gun, I'm pro-rationality.

"Most predators can sense the reduced fear of a gun-toting human, and are more likely to avoid an encounter, anyway."

Yeah... I'm pretty sure that's based on sound science.

"These two calibers allow you to shoot a sub caliber round (38special and 44special respectively) and will shoot 'snake shot loads.'

A 38 special or a snake shot round would be worthless against a cougar or a bear, and you will NEVER be put in a situation where it is absolutely necessary to kill a snake.

It sure feels like some folks just really like guns for guns' sake - not because there is any sensible reason to carry them. If you are so afraid of a national park that you feel like you need to pack heat, maybe you should just stay home. BTW - I'm a hunter and I own a shotgun and a rifle. I'm not anti-gun, I'm pro-rationality.

This is a rules change that was way overdue. A firearm is an indespensable survival and defensive tool. If you have a question about it, ask those folks found dead from two legged predators after heading to the woods for a "Quick Hike"
Or people who have been mauled to death because the camper who last used the shelter decided to throw a half eaten hot dog under the lean to or was feeding the wildlife.
A gun is a tool which everyone who heads into the field should have with them. They even have ultralight ones for those of you who like that sort of thing: The Smith and Wesson Airweight in 357 magnum with a 3" Barrel would be the choice there. For the rest of us, go with a 4inch barrel Ruger Redhawk in the same caliber or in 44Magnum. These two calibers allow you to shoot a sub caliber round (38special and 44special respectively) and will shoot "snake shot loads".
With this weapon, you can respond to many different types of threats and take game in a survival situation. And, at the end of the day, its compact enough to be carried conveniently.
RR
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Florida has very liberal gun laws and last time I visited it didn't look like the wild west. I'll bet the national parks don't change for the worse either.

Oh geez. Well, now NP visitors can protect themselves ... from each other. And don't give me any crap about how your gun will protect you from a predator. First of all, your chances of being killed in a national park by a predator, animal or human, is virtually nil. Second of all, a gun is next to useless against an animal that wants to harm you. Bears somehow have the ability to ignore guns, no matter how many bullets you discharge into their face, and if a mountain lion wants you dead, you won't know it until, well ... you're dead.

I have been camping for about 4 years now and have only had one bad incident. My wife and i and another elderly couple were camping in New Mexico when in the middle of the night, we were awaken by two pick-ups full of drunken men yelling at us and telling us to leave. We did, very fast and very scared not having cell phone reception and only a kitchen knife in my pack i felt useless and with our lives in the hands of others. I don't know what i would have done if i did have a gun with me, but it is the only time i wish i did. I have had better luck camping since then, but we don't camp as much now because of that.

This is a reasonable and long overdue change. A right is a right and a person shouldn't have to depend on anyone else for permission to exercise it.

"This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk. " - Oh PLEASE! This is the same crazy fear-mongering hysteria that anti-gun groups spew about concealed carry, the "gun show loophole", and "assault weapons".

The farther away from the car and cell phone reception my family and I hike and camp in the woods, the more likely I will tote a .44 mag. I would never forgive myself if the unexpected happened to one of my loved ones, and I was unprepared -- and therefore unable -- to protect them. Most predators can sense the reduced fear of a gun-toting human, and are more likely to avoid an encounter, anyway.

Bout time.

I favor the rule change. We trust each other to act responsibly and lawfully in so many other ways, it is simply logical to trust each other when it comes to the permitted carrying of firearms. We will continue to enforce laws against the criminal misuse of arms, against the criminal taking or harming of wildlife, etc.

Keeping and bearing arms is not some antiquated notion of days gone by. It is mainstream and it is a reflection on individual liberties. Most of us who enjoy the backcountry share those values, and we take pride in them.